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Dead DevArt? Wut?

Journal Entry: Wed Jan 9, 2013, 6:57 PM
Okay, so I've been seeing a lot of people complain that deviantart is a dead site. But you know, I haven't noticed any drop in traffic for me? Actually, the longer I've been on, the heavier my traffic has gotten.  Thanks to you guys, the response to my art and my commission income has continued to increase over time. Currently my traffic flow is pretty steady. Sure it dips and peaks from time to time depending on different factors, but I wouldn't ever call it "dead" even at the low times.  And really, a picture gets a lot more traffic than what the comments show. I mean, for every 100 views a picture of mine gets, I get maybe 1 or 2 comments? Most people can't be bothered to sit and type up a comment. I myself rarely comment on other people's images, but that doesn't mean I don't look at them. I view and fave a ton of art, but I almost never leave a message.

If people are just referring to the site as being "dead" because there's so much fandom art and a lot of.. well, less than stellar artists, then I think that's silly of people to hate the site for that. It's anybody's right to post their drawings and projects on an internet art site, no matter what the subject matter and technical skill. You're going to run into that kind of work on any site, not just here.

I've noticed a lot of the people who have been complaining of this though are the people who never post any new work, or only post every other month or so.  Which, if that's the case, then duh the site is going to seem dead to you. If you never post anything, then of course nobody's going to come look at your stuff, let alone post a lot of comments. You can't post one picture and then nothing for three months and then complain about how nobody ever comes and looks at your work. If you don't produce, you don't get the juice. Bunch of babies. -_-

Which, while we're on the topic of obnoxious things that people complain about on here, let me say this.

If you don't want people looking at stamps that you make, stop putting them up.

Seriously, I have seen so many people complaining how "Meeeeh, nobody ever looks at my gallery anymore! All they care about are my stamps! That makes me so mad! All you people are jerks so I'm putting all my stamps in storage so that people will look at my actual art again! Waaaah!!"  It really irks me when I see that one of my stamps has been put in storage because the person who made it is mad because people aren't "giving their real art enough attention."  People need to understand- if you make stamps, of course they're going to get more attention than a lot of your other work. It's like if you told somebody that you would give them a free candy bar, but first they had to read one of two things- a novel, or a brochure. Of course they're going to pick the brochure. It's easier and leads to a faster result. But there's a really simple solution-

If you want to make stamps, but you don't want it to affect the traffic in your normal gallery- make a separate account for your stamps. Problem solved.

Ugh, seriously. Sometimes I just don't get people.

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InToTheSKY5 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
whats a stamp?
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
There's a bunch on my front page
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Ellofayne Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yep, totally agree with you! I don't really see why anyone puts ANYTHING in storage. I mean... if it's on deviantart, it IS in storage.... in case your computer crashes or something! Why take it away from other people to see? I have a lot of favorites too, and I HATE it when they get put into storage.

I have noticed, though, some of the professional artists I'm watching are no longer active. They haven't been on in a couple of years. Their personal websites are updated, which makes sense, that they could just be too busy for DA or grew out of it. I hope I never do, I love putting my things up. Half the reason I try so hard is because I know other people will be looking at it! And I'm not ready for the masses of DA to move onto a different site, I'm not good enough yet! I want to become as famous as you, turtle!!
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SasheraDesigns Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
it used to be that I had issues with the 1 or 2 stamps in my gallery getting all the attention, and i think they still get a lot of views and favourites even now, But I wouldn't go putting them into storage...
Right now its more irritating that i post a few my little pony pics and people comment and fave them like there the best thing in the world, whereas a piece I spend a good decent few hours / days gets next to no attention at all...

But your right, its like anything else, you only get out what you put in, and right now I don't put too much work into my page. I spend more time on my games than I do on my art right now, so the few favourites and comments I do get a fair enough :)
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KiwiPikachu Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Argh I understand you completely it's so annoying you have absolute no idea on how many times I'm read a negative comment on fan-art It's just I mean come on guys this is an ART SITE and it's FULL to the bream with younger people and so of coarse theirs going to lots of fan-art for things! And I agree with the stamp things it's so annoying when they complain about that but then again a lot of people seem to complain about nothing when it comes to this site I mean they complain about page-views PAGE-VIEWS they complain about nonexistent numbers I mean wow.
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Well yeah and I do fanart because I actually enjoy it. But I do original work to, you know? I've always tried to make my gallery kind of half and half.
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KiwiPikachu Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
yeah i understand I do that to but lately it's been more of a fan-art thing for me.

(Do you call it fan-art even though it's characters you made up for the fandom? Arghhh brain fart.
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Eeeehhhh, I'm not sure what you'd call characters you design for a fandom. :shrug: Because they're only partially original, you know?
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KiwiPikachu Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Yeah true.
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S-Vortex Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student Artist
No way is it a dead site! It's a community :D, It's not going to fall out very fast.
Lots of less than stellar artists for sure, but that's where the best begin. It's good that people are trying, and as long as they're not whining about how they don't get views, watches, and commissions, I love supporting them :D.
And yup, things that everyone wants are the things that get the views, and that's not a bad thing.
Well written journal
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah definitely. I mean, I've gotten a loooooot better since I first started on here a few years ago. And the site has helped me grow by spurring me to do a lot of art that I never whould have done otherwise. :nod:
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S-Vortex Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student Artist
:D And that's exactly why I love it!
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Ankou-MagPie Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have been on devi for 9 years + and don't really see to much difference between the start of my run and now, in liveliness. A change in my traffic leave/personal involvement yes, as my art improved and I got more involved, but that's expected. You get what you put in, if you aren't active and look for activities to get into, then what do you expect?

As for stamps, I totally agree. You can't post something and not want it noticed, or complain about it being noticed. Stamps, memes, fanart-they are things a lot of viewers like and want to see, get more hits then plain original content. All my fan art gets three times as much attention as my Original stuff, instead of getting angry about it, I think of it this way: people looking at the fan art, will have a chance to see my original stuff when doing so, and may start liking that too. Same for stamps. People looking at stamps might then see your other art, and watch you for that too, yet wouldn't have discovered you at all if you'd not posted the stamps to begin with. if you get my meaning.
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Exactly. I post fanart partially because I enjoy it, and partially because it draws people in. And then they look at my other work as well. And since I don't do commissions for copyrighted material, having both in my gallery actually helps my business.
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waterdancer Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
LMAO! ah, i know the feeling of that stamp scenario, lol. I have one stamp that, ironically got very popular. only stamp ive ever made. I usually see a fav or two on it a day. I'm just happy to get a little extra foot traffic on my page. it usually leads people to look at other things. but im not exactly an active artist, so i dont expect much more. :)
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I made one stamp, but on a different account, and more as a joke. But I didn't want it affecting anything in my gallery so I didn't put it up here. XD
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waterdancer Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
lol, i didnt expect anything from it actually, i made it for a friend. :P but hey! things happen. I'm not complaining. :3
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TheMeekWarrior Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have a lot of friends on here who feel underappreciated for their work; one friend who's a little older than me moved to a Tumblr account because she was getting little to no feedback. I personally think feedback is very important in order for people to improve their work and feel like their talent is worth something. I don't think DeviantArt is really dead, it's just... that's how the world is, I guess. I myself get no commissions on here, though I get a lot of my personal friends telling me how talented I am and asking for my work, sometimes paying me. I guess it's just a matter of people's preferences and how much they care. :shrug:
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
See that's what I don't like about tumblr- you really can't get written feedback very easily. As for DA, I actually get a lot of commission work through here. But I managed to balance out my gallery between personal and fandom art pretty well so even though I don't do commissions of copyright material (like pokemon or whatever) it doesn't really hurt me. But I look at DA as more of a, eh, "facebook for artists" kind of thing. It not something I would ever show to a professional client (that's what I have a personal business site for) but it's been really great for spreading my work around.
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TheMeekWarrior Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, okay. Yeah, I guess it is more of a social thing than anything professional.
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Nyabe Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
Words straight from my own heart.

Also pokemon X/Y ;u; ((Which has nothing to do with this journal but you know))
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Kaxen6 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013   General Artist
I haven't noticed much change in traffic, but I feel like people comment less than they used to. But I've also changed fandom focus somewhat and update slightly less than I used to.

Though it seems like a lot of artists I watch are running off to Tumblr. I wish they wouldn't neglect their da gallery. >_<' Searching Tumblr is a pain in the ass and it's way easier to flip through a Deviantart gallery than it is to scour someone's art tag on their tumblog. ...and some artists, I like their art a lot more than I like to see them ramble about whatever it is they prefer to ramble about and reblogging cats and not everyone does an art-only tumblr (I tried that... I kept forgetting I had a second tumblr...).
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
yeah I made a tumblr recently, but I never use it. It's a pain in the butt and I don't like that you can't actually talk to people. I like leaving and getting comments. All you get on tumblr is "faves" essentially.
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Kaxen6 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013   General Artist
Yeah, Tumblr doesn't make conversation particularly easy.

I like it for advertising my shop and I get a lot of inspiration from the art and informational posts since I follow a lot of tumblrs focused on science facts and history stuff.
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korrag4 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
I hardly upload work since a lot of mine tends to be pretty crappy. I may whine a bit about not enough attention (mostly from people I actually know) but I'd never EVER go as far as to say DA is dead.
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Gwennafran Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've seen online art galleries die. Or well, basically die even if the sites still technically exists. DA is by no means dead. The people saying so can't never actually have seen what happens when a site dies.

A site dies when the code is not updated for years and this results in the majority of all members simply leaving without being replaced by new members. Again, DA is not dead. In fact, the option of submitting things to groups have made it a lot easier to get your art out there to other people (and yes, I'm so old that's still a relative new feature in my world).

As far as I know, DA has always had a bit of a "non-professional" reputation. So it cannot be that people are reacting to. DA mainly consisted of silly teen amateurs uploading less than stellar stuff when you signed up. And DA still consist of that now. If you want a site mainly consisting of pro artist focusing mainly on constructive criticism DA is not for you. But that should not come as a shock.

I have however been on DA long enough to see most the people I originally interacted with leave. As someone else mentioned, this can make it feel like the site is dead, if you don't get new people to interact with. For someone to realize that they have to "start all over" getting new watchers and DA-friends... Well, it's easier to just declare "that DA is dead" than to admit that to one self.
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Hixateez Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I agree with you so much on this^^;
The only personal experience I have is that things on my page are a bit slower than they used to, thanks to me not drawing as much "fashionable" fan art anymore=D I don't really mind that, though. It's actually given me more determination to work on original stuff and also get involved with the community:la:
So, yeah! I'd personally like to get involved more, if I only wasnät so busy with school, too XD

Yes, I think most people who complain are just freaking over their favorite artists' style changes, fandom changes or decision to leave this site, or then they themselves just don't come around and do much themselves.

I'm also slightly irritated by the sheer amount of hate targeted towards any change made to DA. I know not all of them are good, but I think it'd be smarter to wait, see and try it out if possible before complaining.
Or have I missed something? Is everyone still complaining about bigger thumbnails etc somewhere?
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I dunno, I haven't minded the changes really. Wasn't a fan of the big thumbnails, but I'm used to it now. :shrug:
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Hixateez Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
None of them have affected my experience here, either. If all the great people I know disappeared... That'd be a change, but I doubt anything like that's going to happen any time soon.
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Leemak Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
I have seen SO many talented people just get up and leave cause DA is a "shitty" site and there are no "nice" members. Honestly though most people who say that stuff are snobby them selves and cant take criticism.

I personally LOVE deviantart and I continue to grow more and more every day cause of the site.♥
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NelmaThyria Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
I totally agree with you. I know a lot of people seem to be moving to tumblr these days, and while I do have a tumblr and enjoy it a lot, I still prefer to post my art here. my art actually gets a lot more attention here than on tumblr. And I've heard that too, people saying that there's a lot of poor quality art here...of course there is, but there's also lots and lots of great art, and it's not nearly as hard to find as people seem to think. And stupid people? Sure there's stupid people on DA. There's stupid everywhere on the internet. There's stupid people everywhere in the world.

So yeah, I don't get why people are saying DA's dead either. I wouldn't pay too much attention to them.
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I don't understand tumblr. I have one, but I don't really get how to use it. And can you even leave comments on things? Because it never looked like it to me
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NelmaThyria Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
There are a couple of ways to sort of leave comments on tumblr, but none of them are very convenient...one of the main reasons I prefer DA for art. On tumblr, I mostly just reblog stuff I like, and while a lot of it is art, DA is still much easier to use as a gallery and for keeping track of art that you like, in my opinion.
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
huh. That's weird to me that so many people would prefer tumblr then. Because what's fun about DA to me is the fact that people can easily talk to you.
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NelmaThyria Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
Yeah...I think tumblr's great in its own way, just maybe not the best for an organized art gallery. And it is much easier to hold a conversation here. Even people on tumblr complain about its lack of a coherent messaging system.
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IrisHime Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
So after waxing poetic and philosophical, only to have Deviantart EAT MY POST, I summarize:

DA is a great place. People who say it is "drying" probably say as much because A) their favorite artist or some of their friends may have left to move on to other things, B) they might have changed fandoms to something with less people in it (or artists that they used to watch might have changed fandoms to something that doesn't interest them), C) they simply are not active enough.

Tumblr really does steal a lot of artists though.

and lastly, people who get annoyed at their stamps getting all of their traffic are just plain silly; I've made quite a few stamps myself, and I consider it almost an art form; I put a lot of time into my stamps, so I'm happy for the compliments that I get, or when I see that people are using them. It makes my day. Why make something and post it on DA if you aren't proud to have it your gallery, or want for it to be a conversation piece? I mean, really, what is the point? I agree with you totally in that they should either make a separate account or shaddup.

The End.
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I recently made a tumblr. Haven't really been able to figure it out though. I don't get what the difference between it and something like blogspot is. :/
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IrisHime Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
It's just they "hype" that is Tumblr. There's a whole phenomenon behind it; like Twitter, and Facebook: it's just a face that people recognize out there. It's popular.

Personally, I do like Tumblr (have a blog. It's very addicting). But it does have a very sketchy side to it. I still haven't figured out how to block certain things, even though I know that you can; I use my main blog mostly for inspiring quotes, images (or gifs) from movies, or comic books, or whatever; just stuff that is interesting to me. I also have an art blog. But yeah. Tumblr's fun, but I could never see myself abandoning DA for it. :/
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Meemzer Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
I agree with pretty much everything you have said. Thank you for posting you fox-bat-weasle-y-panda...girl!
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Rattlesire Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I've received about 23 journals from people I watch who are leaving Deviantart. They all have their own reasons, but a good majority of them are stating that Deviantart is just not delivering the coverage they'd like for their artwork, and they feel the community they have engaged with here, staff or otherwise has become toxic and negative towards their personal and artistic growth.

I myself am leaving for similar reasons, but I think the biggest reason is that experimentation has shown I receive far better traffic elsewhere. Tumblr alone has scored me nearly 300 followers in two years whereas Deviantart has scored that many in five. For some folks that's a huge difference!

On the site side, there was an enormous amount of people who were frustrated with a lot of features DA implemented across the year of 2012, and Deviantart's seemingly unending reputation of "Just put something new in so they stop complaining about the old" is growing weary on a lot of folks' minds. There are a lot of features on this site that could be improved and work very well for the artists on here, but Deviantart has passed them on for more methods of income. It's really showing its social media side and as a result the professional artist is falling behind. If anything, Deviantart's become nothing more than a promotional poster to find an artist elsewhere.

As for Traffic, it has indeed dropped considerably. It may be different for the individual viewer (at which you can use Google Analytics to track your own personal traffic here if you're not using DA's tools)

According to Site Analytics, Deviantart has lost 453,065 unique visitors to the website since December 2011. The entirety of 2012 has been a steady decline, with its lowest point being in September. Their highest point is currently sitting at a rough 4 million people. Deviantart still gets tons of views and tons of visitors, but in comparison with earlier years, people were seeing better numbers.

In comparison, Tumblr.com (where most Deviants seem to be putting up art blogs for their own art) has skyrocketed. Their lowest point is seventeen million unique visitors. In October of 2012, they've grown to 24,610,970.

For some folks, that's a really huge traffic difference.

Tumblr.com's reblogging feature also makes sure that your artwork is consistently scoring views, which is pretty nice in comparison to Deviantart's promote your own URL technique. With Tumblr, you could very easily just upload an image and let it sit for days, weeks, months, years. You can always guarantee however that someone will see it, and pick it up, and the pass around response is going to double.

But again, this is personal perspective and with site analytics. Some folks are leaving just because. Personal or professional reasons. But this might help you have some insight into what may be going on into some folks' heads!
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Fox-Frost Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
Psh. I'm lucky if I get even one view on my page a day, and I don't think dA's dead. XD
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Ry-Spirit Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
when did it die?
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
:shrug: Still seems alive to me
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JustACommonMistake Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Personally, dA's been more lively for me recently than it ever has been before. But that could be because I'm finally trying to get my feet wet, and force headbutt my way into groups. That's just silly, that people are going to complain when they don't even try.
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Exactly. That's what I had to do- force my way into people's inboxes. XD
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JustACommonMistake Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And you did a pretty good job I'd say! xD I don't even remember what piece it was that got me to watch you in the first place, all I remember thinking is "Dang. Why aren't I watching them already?" And so it was.
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hammertheshark Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
deviantart cant die. it's IMPOSSIBURU~
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Turtle-Arts Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
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hammertheshark Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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theBeardedMEN Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student Filmographer
There's also people saying it's dead as in: the people they follow seem to not update often. Which of course I find silly as it is bound to occur sometimes but they don't seem to realize that it's only happening within their little circle of watched artists.
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